Kamfa İle Normal Arasındaki Fark (flowerhorn)

İnternet üstünden Flowerhorn alacaktım; bir numara buldum ve aradım, ben yavru alacağım için ve bu balığı daha önce sadece 1 kere beslediğim için hiçbir şey bilmiyorum fakat aradığım kişi bana kamfa mı olsun yoksa normal mi dedi bende kamfanın ne olduğunu bilmediğimi söyledim. O da benim önermem yanlış olur araştırıp tekrar arayabilirsin dedi kamfa ve normal arasındaki fark nedir ? (Fotoğraflı fark gösterme müthiş olur çünkü ben bulamadım )

Ben de tam bilmiyorum ama, bir arkadaş sormuş cevap yazmışlar. Red Dragon SANIRIM normal fh. Türkiyede bazıları normal fh'yi kamfa diye satıyormuş. Burada nasıl ayrım yapılacağı yazıyor. Buradan ayrımı öğrenirsiniz, kazık yemezsiniz.[:)] Herhalde görsel farkı var onun dışında fark var mı bilmiyorum.
Link:
https://www.akvaryum.com/Forum/flower_horn_kamfa_ve_red_dragon_arasindaki_fark_nedir_k860369.asp

Zamanında UFA Facebook grubundan aldığım bir makaleyi paylaşıyorum.

[B][K]Kamfa[/K][/B]
[IMG]https://foto.akvaryum.com/fotolar/179452/280820191145091.jpg[/IMG]
Here is a kamfa traits guide. They are a bit long but really read through it. This will help you identify the differences once you train yourself to see the traits.

Green arrow - this is pointing to the mouth. A closed mouth with no under bite is a kamfa trait. Some ZZ FHs may have this trait but this is a must for a kamfa. Now the new style king kamfa (kk) you will see a lot of kk that have an under bite and possible reasons for that is due to how they are made and possibly how they are culled. But a high quality kamfa will/should not have an under bite.
Blue circle - kamfa eyes are usually not as popped out as ZZ eyes and will be more sunken into the eye socket.
Pink outline - one of the easiest ways to tell the difference between kamfa and ZZ FHs is the body. Kamfas have the square body that does not taper as much like ZZ. With kamfas since they develop slower might not get this body shape until they are a bit older.
Yellow outlines - the most usual finnage on a kamfa curl around the tail and are a bit bigger so they touch the tail.
Red outlines - the last but not the least the tail. Kamfas have what is know as a fan tail which are much bigger and spread out to both dorsal and anal fins. Really high quality kamfas will have these big tails and fins that "wrap" around the tail giving it the phase tail wrap you may see/hear others say.

Some of these traits ate seen in ZZ nowadays and that is because most kamfa traits are more sought after so they are bred into a ZZ line. A lot of kk I see now don't have some of these traits and that is do due to the way most kk are bred nowadays. But if you get high quality or competition grade kamfas they will always have these traits. Hope this helps people and compare the ZZ outline I made. You will see the differences right away now that I have highlighted them. So start training yourself or use these as a reference. Thank you to the owner who let me use his fish as an example. Such a fine specimen.
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[K][B]ZZ[/B][/K]


[IMG]https://foto.akvaryum.com/fotolar/179452/280820191146281.jpg[/IMG]

Alright so since the original post where I outlined and exampled the traits Zhen Zhu (ZZ) usually are identified with got deleted here's another one. If you have questions feel free to ask me. Also this is to example the body traits since color and pearling can be similar in all FHs.

Green arrow - the green arrow points to the mouth of the fish. Most ZZ FH will have an under bite. Some may have less of an under bite while others may have a really noticeable one.
Blue circle - now the eyes most zz will have are are known as bug eyed and may appear to pop out a bit. Just like the under bite trait this trait can vary in individuals and some no longer have it due to the different crosses.
Pink outlines - the body is the most noticeable difference in ZZ and kamfas. ZZ FHs will almost always have a body shape that tapers down from the head to tail and look and shaped overall like an egg.
Yellow outlines - the dorsal and anal fins on ZZ FHs will usually always grow outwards and away from the tail.
Red outlines - I separated the tail from the fins so it's easier to explain and see. The tail most ZZ FH are associated with is the smaller round tail. Their tail is usually smaller and with the fins growing outwards you don't get the fin wrap like on kamfas. Nowadays with line breeding the tails of ZZ have grown stronger and bigger so it's not to uncommon to see one with a bigger fan shaped tail.

That is all there is to the ZZ FH traits. These are the basic traits and not every ZZ FH will have them but they will display majority of these traits. If you learn to see and look for these traits it will aid you in identifying what kind of FH you are looking at. Hope this helps people and share if you like. Thank you to the owner for allowing me to use his beautiful specimen as an example.

Pouapheng Ufa Yang

[QUOTE=Akif12]İnternet üstünden Flowerhorn alacaktım; bir numara buldum ve aradım, ben yavru alacağım için ve bu balığı daha önce sadece 1 kere beslediğim için hiçbir şey bilmiyorum fakat aradığım kişi bana kamfa mı olsun yoksa normal mi dedi bende kamfanın ne olduğunu bilmediğimi söyledim. O da benim önermem yanlış olur araştırıp tekrar arayabilirsin dedi kamfa ve normal arasındaki fark nedir ? (Fotoğraflı fark gösterme müthiş olur çünkü ben bulamadım )[/QUOTE]
Mesela bu kamfa:
[IMG]https://foto.akvaryum.com/fotolar/209202/280820191147571.jpg[/IMG]

EK olarak UFA Türkiye de grubunda bulunan bir makaleyi de buldum, grup kapandığı için direkt link veremiyorum ama kaydettiğim dosyayı paylaşıyorum.

[URL]https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1hzi1rCgN7AbTAzQmlESmV3eDQ/view?usp=sharing[/URL][EDIT]ilhannnn01,2019-08-28 11:51:28[/EDIT]

[QUOTE=YigitAlpCicek]
Mesela bu kamfa:
[IMG]https://foto.akvaryum.com/fotolar/209202/280820191147571.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]

Aynn o yazıyı okudum fakat son mesajlar birbirlerinin yanlış bikdiğini örtbas ediyorlar

[QUOTE=Akif12]

Aynn o yazıyı okudum fakat son mesajlar birbirlerinin yanlış bikdiğini örtbas ediyorlar [/QUOTE]
,Çok özür dilerim yanlış bilgiden.[:((]

[QUOTE=ilhannnn01]Zamanında UFA Facebook grubundan aldığım bir makaleyi paylaşıyorum.

[B][K]Kamfa[/K][/B]
[IMG]https://foto.akvaryum.com/fotolar/179452/280820191145091.jpg[/IMG]
Here is a kamfa traits guide. They are a bit long but really read through it. This will help you identify the differences once you train yourself to see the traits.

Green arrow - this is pointing to the mouth. A closed mouth with no under bite is a kamfa trait. Some ZZ FHs may have this trait but this is a must for a kamfa. Now the new style king kamfa (kk) you will see a lot of kk that have an under bite and possible reasons for that is due to how they are made and possibly how they are culled. But a high quality kamfa will/should not have an under bite.
Blue circle - kamfa eyes are usually not as popped out as ZZ eyes and will be more sunken into the eye socket.
Pink outline - one of the easiest ways to tell the difference between kamfa and ZZ FHs is the body. Kamfas have the square body that does not taper as much like ZZ. With kamfas since they develop slower might not get this body shape until they are a bit older.
Yellow outlines - the most usual finnage on a kamfa curl around the tail and are a bit bigger so they touch the tail.
Red outlines - the last but not the least the tail. Kamfas have what is know as a fan tail which are much bigger and spread out to both dorsal and anal fins. Really high quality kamfas will have these big tails and fins that "wrap" around the tail giving it the phase tail wrap you may see/hear others say.

Some of these traits ate seen in ZZ nowadays and that is because most kamfa traits are more sought after so they are bred into a ZZ line. A lot of kk I see now don't have some of these traits and that is do due to the way most kk are bred nowadays. But if you get high quality or competition grade kamfas they will always have these traits. Hope this helps people and compare the ZZ outline I made. You will see the differences right away now that I have highlighted them. So start training yourself or use these as a reference. Thank you to the owner who let me use his fish as an example. Such a fine specimen.
_____________________________________________________________________________________________________________
[K][B]ZZ[/B][/K]


[IMG]https://foto.akvaryum.com/fotolar/179452/280820191146281.jpg[/IMG]

Alright so since the original post where I outlined and exampled the traits Zhen Zhu (ZZ) usually are identified with got deleted here's another one. If you have questions feel free to ask me. Also this is to example the body traits since color and pearling can be similar in all FHs.

Green arrow - the green arrow points to the mouth of the fish. Most ZZ FH will have an under bite. Some may have less of an under bite while others may have a really noticeable one.
Blue circle - now the eyes most zz will have are are known as bug eyed and may appear to pop out a bit. Just like the under bite trait this trait can vary in individuals and some no longer have it due to the different crosses.
Pink outlines - the body is the most noticeable difference in ZZ and kamfas. ZZ FHs will almost always have a body shape that tapers down from the head to tail and look and shaped overall like an egg.
Yellow outlines - the dorsal and anal fins on ZZ FHs will usually always grow outwards and away from the tail.
Red outlines - I separated the tail from the fins so it's easier to explain and see. The tail most ZZ FH are associated with is the smaller round tail. Their tail is usually smaller and with the fins growing outwards you don't get the fin wrap like on kamfas. Nowadays with line breeding the tails of ZZ have grown stronger and bigger so it's not to uncommon to see one with a bigger fan shaped tail.

That is all there is to the ZZ FH traits. These are the basic traits and not every ZZ FH will have them but they will display majority of these traits. If you learn to see and look for these traits it will aid you in identifying what kind of FH you are looking at. Hope this helps people and share if you like. Thank you to the owner for allowing me to use his beautiful specimen as an example.

Pouapheng Ufa Yang

[/QUOTE][QUOTE=ilhannnn01]Zamanında UFA Facebook grubundan aldığım bir makaleyi paylaşıyorum.

[B][K]Kamfa[/K][/B]
[IMG]https://foto.akvaryum.com/fotolar/179452/280820191145091.jpg[/IMG]
Here is a kamfa traits guide. They are a bit long but really read through it. This will help you identify the differences once you train yourself to see the traits.

Green arrow - this is pointing to the mouth. A closed mouth with no under bite is a kamfa trait. Some ZZ FHs may have this trait but this is a must for a kamfa. Now the new style king kamfa (kk) you will see a lot of kk that have an under bite and possible reasons for that is due to how they are made and possibly how they are culled. But a high quality kamfa will/should not have an under bite.
Blue circle - kamfa eyes are usually not as popped out as ZZ eyes and will be more sunken into the eye socket.
Pink outline - one of the easiest ways to tell the difference between kamfa and ZZ FHs is the body. Kamfas have the square body that does not taper as much like ZZ. With kamfas since they develop slower might not get this body shape until they are a bit older.
Yellow outlines - the most usual finnage on a kamfa curl around the tail and are a bit bigger so they touch the tail.
Red outlines - the last but not the least the tail. Kamfas have what is know as a fan tail which are much bigger and spread out to both dorsal and anal fins. Really high quality kamfas will have these big tails and fins that "wrap" around the tail giving it the phase tail wrap you may see/hear others say.

Some of these traits ate seen in ZZ nowadays and that is because most kamfa traits are more sought after so they are bred into a ZZ line. A lot of kk I see now don't have some of these traits and that is do due to the way most kk are bred nowadays. But if you get high quality or competition grade kamfas they will always have these traits. Hope this helps people and compare the ZZ outline I made. You will see the differences right away now that I have highlighted them. So start training yourself or use these as a reference. Thank you to the owner who let me use his fish as an example. Such a fine specimen.
_____________________________________________________________________________________________________________
[K][B]ZZ[/B][/K]


[IMG]https://foto.akvaryum.com/fotolar/179452/280820191146281.jpg[/IMG]

Alright so since the original post where I outlined and exampled the traits Zhen Zhu (ZZ) usually are identified with got deleted here's another one. If you have questions feel free to ask me. Also this is to example the body traits since color and pearling can be similar in all FHs.

Green arrow - the green arrow points to the mouth of the fish. Most ZZ FH will have an under bite. Some may have less of an under bite while others may have a really noticeable one.
Blue circle - now the eyes most zz will have are are known as bug eyed and may appear to pop out a bit. Just like the under bite trait this trait can vary in individuals and some no longer have it due to the different crosses.
Pink outlines - the body is the most noticeable difference in ZZ and kamfas. ZZ FHs will almost always have a body shape that tapers down from the head to tail and look and shaped overall like an egg.
Yellow outlines - the dorsal and anal fins on ZZ FHs will usually always grow outwards and away from the tail.
Red outlines - I separated the tail from the fins so it's easier to explain and see. The tail most ZZ FH are associated with is the smaller round tail. Their tail is usually smaller and with the fins growing outwards you don't get the fin wrap like on kamfas. Nowadays with line breeding the tails of ZZ have grown stronger and bigger so it's not to uncommon to see one with a bigger fan shaped tail.

That is all there is to the ZZ FH traits. These are the basic traits and not every ZZ FH will have them but they will display majority of these traits. If you learn to see and look for these traits it will aid you in identifying what kind of FH you are looking at. Hope this helps people and share if you like. Thank you to the owner for allowing me to use his beautiful specimen as an example.

Pouapheng Ufa Yang

[/QUOTE]

Çeviriye kopyalayıp okudum istediğim makale tam olarak buydu teşekkür ederim peki siz tam olarak hangisini önerirsiniz .
Bir sorum daha var kusura bakmayın :) Flowerhorn vatoz ile yaşayabilir mi ? Ve 240 Litre uygunmudur bakmak için

[QUOTE=Akif12]

Çeviriye kopyalayıp okudum istediğim makale tam olarak buydu teşekkür ederim peki siz tam olarak hangisini önerirsiniz .
Bir sorum daha var kusura bakmayın :) Flowerhorn vatoz ile yaşayabilir mi ? Ve 240 Litre uygunmudur bakmak için[/QUOTE]
İnternete Flowerhorn yazınca çıkıyor buranın makalesi. En az 275 LT gerekiyor maalesef.[:(]
https://www.akvaryum.com/flower_horn_tatlisur_8_429.asp

Hocam normal yerli üretim flowerhorn al sana tavsiyem kamfa zor bir tür canlı yem ile besleniyor ve acayip hırcın oluyor 12mm cam zor dayanıyor arkadaşımda var 350 litrede tek besliyor bazen cama vuruyor kuyruğu ile cok güzel renkleniyor ama bakımı cidden zor her gün 50 litre su değiştiriyor arkadaş hemen 2 gün aksat rengi soluyor çocuk gibi bakman gerekiyor ben yerli üretim flowerhorn besledim yavrudan aldım çok güzeldi kamfa gibi renkleri yoktu ama uysaldı

[QUOTE=YigitAlpCicek]
İnternete Flowerhorn yazınca çıkıyor buranın makalesi. En az 275 LT gerekiyor maalesef.[:(]
https://www.akvaryum.com/flower_horn_tatlisur_8_429.asp[/QUOTE]
Fransız bir makale de akvaryumun 1 metre ve en az 100 litre olması gerektiğini yazmış eğer bulursam link atarım yaklaşık 150k desteklemiş kişi var

[QUOTE=Akif12]
Fransız bir makale de akvaryumun 1 metre ve en az 100 litre olması gerektiğini yazmış eğer bulursam link atarım yaklaşık 150k desteklemiş kişi var [/QUOTE]
Vallaha ben sadece gördüğümü söyledim. Buradaki tecrübeliler böyle yazmış yoksa ben yanlış bilgi vermek istemem...

[QUOTE=YigitAlpCicek]
Vallaha ben sadece gördüğümü söyledim. Buradaki tecrübeliler böyle yazmış yoksa ben yanlış bilgi vermek istemem...[/QUOTE]

Teşekkürler anladım zaten iyi birisiniz internetten araştırmışsınız

[QUOTE=Akif12]

Teşekkürler anladım zaten iyi birisiniz internetten araştırmışsınız [/QUOTE]
Çok teşekkürler.[:)] İnternet işte... Her şey doğru olmayabiliyor.